Well I have now updated the controller and the touch. The touch no difference still only shows pumps 1 and 3 plus the info for them is wrong it is still stuck at 40 and 80. The vortech controller info ( also updated GCC) now it does not recognise any of the pumps , firmware and they all have same serial number. They seem to be doing the ecotech tidal swell. This is according to the leds on the pumps. But the old firmware did give some info now i have zip. The info in the manuals say that it should have all of the ecotech modes and it seems to . but where is the info display the only change is the old pump is unknown as are all the others. four of them are the updated drivers but original pumps. You people have always been quick to fix or head me in the right direction so I hope you have some answers for me...Andre ps yes I got the pab-6 thank you very much...