I have just done a factor reset on all lights, reset all devices to a different channel (different than before) and reset all lights as slave, i then went to the web interface selected manaul mode and was able to change the lights ... i then set up another template and it seems to eb working now, its been a bit tempermental when running "illumination run" but it works (if i hold the slider down its fine, if i dont hold it down the lights go off !!

ANyway it looks like its working again