View Full Version : Plans to develope Mitras.... ? It's been 4 years now with no upgrades
RichardW
20.08.2016, 23:09
As the title say what are the plans by the GHL development team to upgrade the Mitras platform... Since the launch of the Mitras ( I was in the front of the Que handing over my hard earned cash to support you) Echotech have realised now 4 upgraded and enhanced fixtures for their customer base excluding software platforms and with the recently introduced radion G4... What are the plans to bring GHL up with the times. The GHL platform was marketed as having full future proofing upgradabiltiy but there hasn't been any..
As a owner of 6x 6200hv I really hope we can see developments from you rather than having to think hard about following the growing crowds over to a company who are now clearly leading the way with innovation and customer care for these beautiful animal we love to keep.
Question to owners - as a community would you like to see led upgrades or colours changes and lense upgrades
Ask to GHL - don't remove this thread and let your community know our large investments are going to be rewarded with the upgradabiltiy you have promised.
faltaren
21.08.2016, 18:18
What does the g4 have that the mitras dont? Cant see anything special with it.
RichardW
21.08.2016, 21:41
My post wasn't specifically asking for a comparison on the Mitras vs the NEW G4 - I was asking what are the plans from GHL are going to be to update the Mitras platform. The reason I mentioned Ecotech is they have launched 4 fixtures on the same time scale that the Mitras has been out, with what can only be described as significant global uptake across their platforms, with published scientific papers demonstrating spectrum choices, illumination guides to maximise a reef environment. I could have chosen any manufacturer, Orpetch, Kessel, ATI, and now even Phillips, etc., etc who have been continuously investing RND into the LED market and providing their customers base with enhanced features, lenses, spectrum choices, power reductions.
As a GHL owner of 6 units, plus every other platform they supply, I'm not here to slag off the products or its community, but I feel that it is a fair question to raise within their forums
I want to know the long term plans from GHL as its has been four years since the launch of the Mitras products, and I do not see the same development going into the Mitras product as we do with other Vendors in the same market.
Looking specifically at the G4 - clearly, Ecotech has a larger customer base using their pendents, and the upgrades are clearly directed back at these owners. Promoting a better experience, better footprint, better energy output, better heatsink, with a better colour spectrum for what is the end game maximising their customer's coral health.
As a consumer, that's spent £5500 on the GHL LED I want to know where I invest my money in the future as outside this forum, the Mitras name doesn't bode very well, and why I came here
faltaren
22.08.2016, 09:17
Hmm ok. The lenses on the g4 seem inovative. But the spectrum on the ghl seems to match? Even with more par?
Hello,
Per our policy, we do not openly announce upcoming GHL products until we feel they are ready for prime time. When new GHL products are ready, we will make an official announcement. Mitras has not been forgotten. ;)
SPSQueen
24.08.2016, 20:00
Hello,
Per our policy, we do not openly announce upcoming GHL products until we feel they are ready for prime time. When new GHL products are ready, we will make an official announcement. Mitras has not been forgotten. ;)
an interesting debate, just wondering would these future Mitras plans would be available as a upgrade package for us current owners?
But honestly, apart from these new lenses there is not much the new G4 have over Mitras light now, I suppose a upgraded Mitras LED puck with some more LED colours and a new lens would even out the any minor advantage G4 might have. I have looked at the par figures that BRS put out comparing the G4 vs G3 and the improvement does not seem night or day, certainly an improvement but would it warrant selling your current G3/mitras to upgrade to them, definitely not. The most important upgrade for me about the G4 is that now you can connect directly with your mobile device to the unit without any additional purchase.
You should not be disappointed with the Mitras you have the G4 are not better than it, this is credit to GHL product that even after 4 years its still managed to match the competition but at the same time i appreciate your concern and certainly a few LED tweaks would help keep our concerns at bay about falling behind the field.
faltaren
24.08.2016, 21:59
I aggre but i allso want it to be atleast ip65. So it can be used in closed kabinetts. The new Philips has this.
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The only thing i am missing, is mabye a little more blue leds, on my 6200.. I dont really care that ecotech has put out 4 versions of their lamp, as at least 2 of the versions have had smaller isues.. loud fans and so on.
My wish list is something like:
the 6200 added with mabye 2 more of each blue color, and another channel with something that makes color pop a bit more..
and ofcource make it possible to upgrade our old units.
Also some kind of water resistance would be a massive improvement ;-/
http://www.reefjoy.com/blog/the-all-new-mitras-lx7-maximizing-light-efficiency
http://www.reef2reef.com/threads/new-ghl-products-introduced-at-macna-2016.266137/
SPSQueen
19.09.2016, 20:43
Thanks for the links,
Have to be honest, I prefer the look of the Mitras LX 6 series, not a fan of those curved grooves at the front of the panel. Should of just kept the same angular desing of the 6 series and just give us new LED modules. Still nice to see GHL improving their offerings for the customer.
Is it possible for us current mistras users to upgrade just their LED modules to those of the 7 series? I would like some new LED colours but dont want change my mitras 6 series design.
damn it..
just bought 2 extra units for my new system...
i hope there will be a upgrade option, and it wont be to expensive...
in the video that is posted in this thread, its said the old lamps will be upgrad able..
I would like to know if the new tank mounts will fit the LX. 6000 series they do look good
RichardW
21.09.2016, 23:43
just edited my post as I didn't see the video, you guys hit it out the park with P4 this will defiantly be an addition to the Christmas list. I am really keen to see the upgrade kits as per my original post, I am very serious sps collector and I have been waiting for these changes to uv/Cree... shame I chunked so much money into the 6x 6200 or I would be adding the 7000 as well but I don't think that good a boy this year.
Sorry for my earlier doubts
RichardW
21.09.2016, 23:46
Looking at the new mounting option can GHL confirm how they connect to the back of the tank as it seems the bracket runs down behind the hight of the glass?
i got a dangerous question... :)
I can see the mitras 6200 is on sale on the shop for 720 euro... Would it be possible to buy another 6200, so i got 4 lamps, and then later update these for the new lamp that you are on your way with? i think it would be possible just wanted to be sure, before doing so...
I have a feeling these new items are a way off being released :( may be early 2017 (GHL please prove me wrong!!!)
there is no announcements on the website, GHL are not responding to this thread, and maybe they needed something to show off at Macna to show they are not left behind!
But one thing about GHL they wont rush the release of any product (not like some other manufacturers)
The release is not as far from now as you think and we certainly won't prematurely release a product until it's passed our test standards. ;)
The Mitras LX mounting option will be compatible with the current version and is mounted with two mounting points behind the stand. More details on this will be available very soon.
The Mitras LX7 series has a new LED board (other LEDs, different form factor). The LX6 lamps are therefore not able to be upgraded with the new LED clusters.
The Mitras LX7 series has a new LED board design for improved cooling and LED performance. The LX6 lamps are therefore not able to be upgraded with the new LED clusters.
Wow that is a big let down, considering the prices for these units, I was under the impression that users would be able to upgrade.
Really disappointed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGoly8WKMk&feature=youtu.be
1:40
it is said "there will be a upgrade path for these"
Matthias
02.10.2016, 10:13
We have these upgrade discussions every time when we are going to release something new. Some at GHL really hesitate to release new products due to this fact ...
It is just not possible to keep every product downward compatible to other or previous versions. If you do this you have no change for an optimal design and to use different technologies, you will always end in compromises.
These are my thoughts:
- Why do you want to "upgrade" - just because there is something new? The Mitras LX 6 was and is one of the best LED lights on the market in regards to power, spread and spectrum.
The release of another Mitras LX model will not make the existing LX 6 worse. They are still great lights.
- The LX 6 will still be produced, sold and of course supported when the LX 7 comes out.
Other brands have the same problem when introducing new products. As far as I know there is also no upgrade path for Radion G3->G4 , the new Apex powerbars are not compatible to the previous controller, etc. etc.,
not to mention Apple with their silly headphone connector...
As said several times: The official announcement about features, facts and prices comes very soon, we plan to do this within the next 2 weeks, when our new website is ready.
Thanks.
We have these upgrade discussions every time when we are going to release something new. Some at GHL really hesitate to release new products due to this fact ...
It is just not possible to keep every product downward compatible to other or previous versions. If you do this you have no change for an optimal design and to use different technologies, you will always end in compromises.
These are my thoughts:
- Why do you want to "upgrade" - just because there is something new? The Mitras LX 6 was and is one of the best LED lights on the market in regards to power, spread and spectrum.
The release of another Mitras LX model will not make the existing LX 6 worse. They are still great lights.
Thanks for taking your time.
It is true the Mitras 6200 is a still a good unit even after the lx7 is realeased. What i think many of ownes are missing is some of the uv lights... I would easely trade one of my warm white, and cool white, for a 410nm led, to get some more fluorescence from the corals. It was my understanding that the new lamp would have this.
I was just surprised, to be honest, as i dident think it would be a big problem to release a new led layout for the lamp, just as you did with the 6100 to 6200, to give the same led layout. There could ofcource be reasons why this wont be easy, that i dont know off.
Matthias
02.10.2016, 10:46
Thanks for taking your time.
It is true the Mitras 6200 is a still a good unit even after the lx7 is realeased. What i think many of ownes are missing is some of the uv lights... I would easely trade one of my warm white, and cool white, for a 410nm led, to get some more fluorescence from the corals. It was my understanding that the new lamp would have this.
I was just surprised, to be honest, as i dident think it would be a big problem to release a new led layout for the lamp, just as you did with the 6100 to 6200, to give the same led layout. There could ofcource be reasons why this wont be easy, that i dont know off.
This is a good point and actually i already have been thinking about this.
Since it is another form factor it is not possible to just use the LX 7 clusters for the LX 6, BUT: If there is enough demand we could produce clusters with a different LED setup for the LX 6. As you suggested, we would sacrifice a white channel for the UV.
I really would like to know if there is demand - it is pointless to produce clusters and nobody buys them.
This is a good point and actually i already have been thinking about this.
Since it is another form factor it is not possible to just use the LX 7 clusters for the LX 6, BUT: If there is enough demand we could produce clusters with a different LED setup for the LX 6. As you suggested, we would sacrifice a white channel for the UV.
I really would like to know if there is demand - it is pointless to produce clusters and nobody buys them.
Mabye make a anouncement, that for a limited time people can order these upgrades, and you will then produce them, if there is above xx demand for it.
If so, i would like to upgrade my 4 lamps... :) so there is your first order. :)
Would that mean u would remove all white leds? If possible just remove one of the leds, so instead of 6 cool white, and 6 warm white, you only have 5 of each, and then 2 uv. If you dont have enought channels to control 10 diffrent leds, just combine it with the channel from the hyper violet, they would probaly all be running at 100% any way, and 5 of each white channel is still enought, people usaly run the pretty low to get that blue look... any way just my thoughts on how it could be done.
Since it is another form factor it is not possible to just use the LX 7 clusters for the LX 6,
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would it not be possible, to use the same cluster board, if you also included new reflectors? unless that is not the only thing preventing you from using same led boards.
doggydoc10
02.10.2016, 13:11
Mabye make a anouncement, that for a limited time people can order these upgrades, and you will then produce them, if there is above xx demand for it.
If so, i would like to upgrade my 4 lamps... :) so there is your first order. :)
Would that mean u would remove all white leds? If possible just remove one of the leds, so instead of 6 cool white, and 6 warm white, you only have 5 of each, and then 2 uv. If you dont have enought channels to control 10 diffrent leds, just combine it with the channel from the hyper violet, they would probaly all be running at 100% any way, and 5 of each white channel is still enought, people usaly run the pretty low to get that blue look... any way just my thoughts on how it could be done.
I would upgrade my 4 lamps also!
Count me in
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jpt12345
17.10.2016, 22:28
Can somebody please advise why the form factor has changed from the LX 6 platform (I mean in more detail than we are producing the optimum design marketing jargon!)
Having invested in LX6 series pendants, and having seen on this forum that the existing platform would offer possibilities to upgrade in future (gunther), i am to say the least 'a little bit miffed' that the platform offers no opportunity to upgrade from 4 year old technology...at all!
Matthias
18.10.2016, 17:35
We got a few requests of Mitras LX6 owners for LED-clusters with the LX7-LED-mixture.
If we have enough demand we could produce a small series of these clusters.
I just created a poll to find out:
http://forum.aquariumcomputer.com/showthread.php?11587-Do-you-want-to-buy-Mitras-LX7-clusters-for-your-Mitras-LX6
ReefClownMIA
21.10.2016, 16:26
Can somebody please advise why the form factor has changed from the LX 6 platform (I mean in more detail than we are producing the optimum design marketing jargon!)
Having invested in LX6 series pendants, and having seen on this forum that the existing platform would offer possibilities to upgrade in future (gunther), i am to say the least 'a little bit miffed' that the platform offers no opportunity to upgrade from 4 year old technology...at all!
@jpt12345,
From the 10ft perspective I can understand your frustration - and you do have a great question.
Can you tell me Why you're looking to upgrade to the LX 7 - let's discuss a couple of these points.
* The LX 7 offers WiFi to connect to your home network(etc) - the LX 6 did not have a provision for this, as such a new mainboard is required. As such chip and component layout changes may be in order, further requiring changing of component placement.
* The LX 7 offers GHL Power Balancing Technology® (https://www.aquariumcomputer.com/what-is-the-power-balancing-technology-pbt/) - this was a feature that was not available on the LX6's - as such, once again a mainboard change, more components had to be shuffled, leading to further changes in component layout
* The LX 7 offers a Ultra Violet channel @ 385 nm that the LX 6 did not offer - GHL is currently taking a poll to gauge interest for upgrade clusters for the LX 6. (LINK: Do you want to buy Mitras LX7 clusters for your Mitras LX6? (http://forum.aquariumcomputer.com/showthread.php?11587-Do-you-want-to-buy-Mitras-LX7-clusters-for-your-Mitras-LX6))
It's my understanding that the LX 7 is the latest in the Mitras line-up, the LX 6 was not retired, but received a bigger, more advanced brother. :)
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