Timeout during ATO

[B B]

I don't understand why because the program worked without fail when I manually trigger it, but the last 2 days I have been getting an alarm stating that LVL 1 timed out. It is timing out because S1 (ato) remains off and evaporated water is not being replaced. S1 controls a solenoid that is connected to a tsunami ATO. The tsunami level sensors are located above LVL1. I want to keep the tsunami as a safty backup in case the profilux fails.

Why is my ato not working?

I double checked the program that was listed here and they are the same.

[Matthias]

I moved this post and started a new thread because I don't want the original thread become too confusing

can you post here all settings (screenshots) which belong to this task?
- prog. logic, level, socket functions

[B B]

I think I found the problem...

I increased the reaction time on lvl sensor 1 from 10 sec to 30.

My ATO takes more than 10 sec to fill.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/bbernesi/level.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/bbernesi/socketfunc.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/bbernesi/Proglogic.jpg



on another note...Matthias... if you can, can you please change my interface language on the forum to english? I dont understand german and I am having problems navigating the website.

[B B]

I realized i made an error.... it is not the reaction time that needs to be changed but "Max-on Time".

I increased it to 5 mins and reset the reation time back to 10s.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/bbernesi/level-1.jpg

[B B]

corrected myself again.... I had water 1 and water 2 mixed...
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/bbernesi/level-2.jpg

however....
I want to be sure that I understand the program.

-Water 1 applies to both ATO and water change.

-my ato works off the pressure of a pressurized ATO reservoir.
http://www.pure-pro.com.tw/nsf_tank.htm

-the AWC Fill pump is a mag9.5.

-the filling time of each is different. so for my application I should set the max on time for the one that takes the longest to fill. in this case it would be my ATO.

keeping that in mind... if the float switch fails for whatever reason, during the AWC-Fill the sump would overflow. correct? If that is the case I need to set level 3 as the leakage detection OR in my case overflow detection? can I accomplish that by simply mounting the float switch upside down, and when triggered it would stop the filling process?

[B B]

corrected myself again.... I had water 1 and water 2 mixed...
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/bbernesi/level-2.jpg

however....
I want to be sure that I understand the program.

-Water 1 applies to both ATO and water change.

-my ato works off the pressure of a pressurized ATO reservoir.
http://www.pure-pro.com.tw/nsf_tank.htm

-the AWC Fill pump is a mag9.5.

-the filling time of each is different. so for my application I should set the max on time for the one that takes the longest to fill. in this case it would be my ATO.

keeping that in mind... if the float switch fails for whatever reason, during the AWC-Fill the sump would overflow. correct? If that is the case I need to set level 3 as the leakage detection OR in my case overflow detection? can I accomplish that by simply mounting the float switch upside down, and when triggered it would stop the filling process?

[Matthias]

usually you increase the max. on-time rather than the reaction time to avoid time overdue problems, the reaction determines how long the sensor state must be stable until a change is triggered

water 1 applies to ATO and water change

set the max on-time for the one that takes the longest to fill, and you are right, a overflow could happen if the time is too long for the AWC

solution: use level 3 as overflow detection (mode leakage) and use prog. logic:
logic 3 = "logic2" 1 AND Water 3
socket function "logic 3" instead of "logic 2"

[B B]

usually you increase the max. on-time rather than the reaction time to avoid time overdue problems, the reaction determines how long the sensor state must be stable until a change is triggered

yeah I realized that...



water 1 applies to ATO and water change

set the max on-time for the one that takes the longest to fill, and you are right, a overflow could happen if the time is too long for the AWC

solution: use level 3 as overflow detection (mode leakage) and use prog. logic:
logic 3 = "logic2" 1 AND Water 3
socket function "logic 3" instead of "logic 2"

wasnt sure what you meant by logic 3 = "logic2" 1 AND Water 3

is "logic 2" 1 mean logic 2 inverted?? or was it a typo?

like this??

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/bbernesi/overflow-proglog.jpg
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/bbernesi/overflow-socket.jpg

[Matthias]

yes, like this
was a typo

[B B]

Thank you.

One last question just to clarify things and so that way I can experiment different programs.

Input water 3 refers to float 3?

[Matthias]

Input water 3 refers to float 3? yes